

Do you believe in witch-doctors?..
I do not!
I believe that our body can recover itself, I believe that our body is like a river, cells renew constantly and any damage could be corrected by nature and your mind, your mind and great work on yourself.
Natasha died and I'll tell you her story, just part of the story, but maybe it could help someone.
Just now I realize that she never liked doctors. Why? I really don't know, just guess that she was a big girl and doctors might have told her that she needed to have diet and change style of life: more walking and do exercises... Don't really know but think nobody likes to know that you (like you are) are not good enough and need to work on yourself hard. So Natasha did not like doctors and always tried something else, she heard about some witch-doctors, "doctors-psychotherapist" or future-tellers and went to them to ask help to loose weight or to find out the future.
Nobody expected this! But three years ago she really felt bad (she had something with belly, it became too big like drum), so my friends and me persuaded her to go to a hospital /do not forget that we live in Russia and still have free medicine here/. And she was told in hospital that she had cancer (in already 3-4 stage).
Now, I remember that she had "little" problems a year before the doctors told her she had cancer. Her response on her "little" problems was to call her witchdoctor-psychotherapist and she was always told: "It's OK, I will cure it." and Natasha always got relief sooner or later. I still can not understand Natasha had two witch doctors that time, and how they could not know /of course, if we suppose they can know or feel something../ about Natasha's BIG problem - her cancer!
(Please, my reader, if you not feeling good, go to doctor at least sometimes just to know that it is not something really bad!)
What was next... One of these witch-doctors found a doctor in cancer-hospital and they asked her to pay American 2300$ per dropper every 3 weeks. (Remember that is free medical in Russia)
Natasha had the chemo for half a year then she was offered to have a surgery done, but she did not want (she still hoped to have a child one day). Then she met a "Teacher", the "teacher" belonged so-called "School of Casualty" by Goch (Школа Причинности Василия Гоча). He told Natasha very beautiful words, he told her that she has not just physical but 7 thin bodies around physical body. One of these bodies is Body of Casual and that all in the world has Reason to be, and her illness has a reason so he promised "to work on her body of casual and remove the reason of her illness". How I understand this man had a charisma and really could do some things like remove pain... He told Natasha that she must take responsibility for herself by herself. No ultrasound anymore - it's bad for thin body, no chemo - she is already healthy and if she feels something wrong that just because she remember about illness what does not exist in her body anymore... I heard that and did not know what to tell Natasha I knew that was Religious Sect! But how to take away a sweet from baby, how to remove last hope? And Natasha took a decision those became her Way. She tried to study something, she tried to believe that she was healthy now... She was inspirited and happy. And even I've believed she was OK then.
Then terrible thing happened, Natasha called me in February and told that her "teacher" (pupil of Goch) does not want to work with her anymore. She told me that she had "little" problems since December and her "teacher" (pupil of Goch) told that he worked in her Casual Body, corrected all and already told Goch about this. She called him again and told that she had still the same - his reaction was: "I see nothing you think out a problem", after her third call he told that he did not want to work with her because she could not believe. She was so lost then we discussed different thing what to do but she went back to the "teacher" persuaded him to take her back.
She felt really bad last month, when she had a temperature 40C she told that the "teacher" works on her this time. A week before she died the "teacher" told that her body escaped of under control and she needs to go to doctor. I can not imagine what Natasha went through since! But she tried she called her mother and asked her to help pickup things for the hospital. Then she asked her mother to leave. She called emergency and got in the emergency car. Her breath stopped during this ride, they still tried to save her in the hospital and put equipment what breathed for her. Natasha never breathed by herself again she died 3 days later.

When I worked on this article I found these links:
1) That is about the School of Causality...
http://runes.interval.ee/index_eng.html (This link has been canceled.)
http://www.valeology.com/ (This is the new link, but only in Russian language now. They obviously do not want English reading people to see it.)
http://www.wings.aaanet.ru/gotch_en.html
2) This is an article about one man who died from otitis (running ear), people should not die from that. But this man was got to the same sect where Natasha was.
Please read it:
http://just-true.livejournal.com/2395.html (in Russian)
http://www.google.com/translate
Natasha died and I still believe - believe that our body can recover itself and that our body is like a river.....
Natasha died, where is she now, what she believes and what she knows.....
Svet
Comments alway welcome and we can discuss this problem in our Discussions as well.
PS: Our friend Alexey was shocked with the story he published his article in Russian in his live journal. He is sure the evil must be stopped! And he wants to make his investigation with our help about this case and the "School of Casualty". Thank you Alexey! You are a real friend!
link to Alexey's article in LiveJournal: http://lawal.livejournal.com/325983.html
I do not!
I believe that our body can recover itself, I believe that our body is like a river, cells renew constantly and any damage could be corrected by nature and your mind, your mind and great work on yourself.
Natasha died and I'll tell you her story, just part of the story, but maybe it could help someone.
Just now I realize that she never liked doctors. Why? I really don't know, just guess that she was a big girl and doctors might have told her that she needed to have diet and change style of life: more walking and do exercises... Don't really know but think nobody likes to know that you (like you are) are not good enough and need to work on yourself hard. So Natasha did not like doctors and always tried something else, she heard about some witch-doctors, "doctors-psychotherapist" or future-tellers and went to them to ask help to loose weight or to find out the future.
Nobody expected this! But three years ago she really felt bad (she had something with belly, it became too big like drum), so my friends and me persuaded her to go to a hospital /do not forget that we live in Russia and still have free medicine here/. And she was told in hospital that she had cancer (in already 3-4 stage).
Now, I remember that she had "little" problems a year before the doctors told her she had cancer. Her response on her "little" problems was to call her witchdoctor-psychotherapist and she was always told: "It's OK, I will cure it." and Natasha always got relief sooner or later. I still can not understand Natasha had two witch doctors that time, and how they could not know /of course, if we suppose they can know or feel something../ about Natasha's BIG problem - her cancer!
(Please, my reader, if you not feeling good, go to doctor at least sometimes just to know that it is not something really bad!)
What was next... One of these witch-doctors found a doctor in cancer-hospital and they asked her to pay American 2300$ per dropper every 3 weeks. (Remember that is free medical in Russia)
Natasha had the chemo for half a year then she was offered to have a surgery done, but she did not want (she still hoped to have a child one day). Then she met a "Teacher", the "teacher" belonged so-called "School of Casualty" by Goch (Школа Причинности Василия Гоча). He told Natasha very beautiful words, he told her that she has not just physical but 7 thin bodies around physical body. One of these bodies is Body of Casual and that all in the world has Reason to be, and her illness has a reason so he promised "to work on her body of casual and remove the reason of her illness". How I understand this man had a charisma and really could do some things like remove pain... He told Natasha that she must take responsibility for herself by herself. No ultrasound anymore - it's bad for thin body, no chemo - she is already healthy and if she feels something wrong that just because she remember about illness what does not exist in her body anymore... I heard that and did not know what to tell Natasha I knew that was Religious Sect! But how to take away a sweet from baby, how to remove last hope? And Natasha took a decision those became her Way. She tried to study something, she tried to believe that she was healthy now... She was inspirited and happy. And even I've believed she was OK then.
Then terrible thing happened, Natasha called me in February and told that her "teacher" (pupil of Goch) does not want to work with her anymore. She told me that she had "little" problems since December and her "teacher" (pupil of Goch) told that he worked in her Casual Body, corrected all and already told Goch about this. She called him again and told that she had still the same - his reaction was: "I see nothing you think out a problem", after her third call he told that he did not want to work with her because she could not believe. She was so lost then we discussed different thing what to do but she went back to the "teacher" persuaded him to take her back.
She felt really bad last month, when she had a temperature 40C she told that the "teacher" works on her this time. A week before she died the "teacher" told that her body escaped of under control and she needs to go to doctor. I can not imagine what Natasha went through since! But she tried she called her mother and asked her to help pickup things for the hospital. Then she asked her mother to leave. She called emergency and got in the emergency car. Her breath stopped during this ride, they still tried to save her in the hospital and put equipment what breathed for her. Natasha never breathed by herself again she died 3 days later.

When I worked on this article I found these links:
1) That is about the School of Causality...
http://runes.interval.ee/index_eng.html (This link has been canceled.)
http://www.valeology.com/ (This is the new link, but only in Russian language now. They obviously do not want English reading people to see it.)
http://www.wings.aaanet.ru/gotch_en.html
2) This is an article about one man who died from otitis (running ear), people should not die from that. But this man was got to the same sect where Natasha was.
Please read it:
http://just-true.livejournal.com/2395.html (in Russian)
http://www.google.com/translate
Natasha died and I still believe - believe that our body can recover itself and that our body is like a river.....
Natasha died, where is she now, what she believes and what she knows.....
Svet
Comments alway welcome and we can discuss this problem in our Discussions as well.
PS: Our friend Alexey was shocked with the story he published his article in Russian in his live journal. He is sure the evil must be stopped! And he wants to make his investigation with our help about this case and the "School of Casualty". Thank you Alexey! You are a real friend!
link to Alexey's article in LiveJournal: http://lawal.livejournal.com/325983.html
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Svetlania- What a beautiful post! This was brilliantly written! The ideas of cults frighten me. I have a friend in Arizona who has joined an ultra conservative church. I think that religious fanaticism of any denomination can be a very dangerous weapon.
This was SO well written! Great info! My heart bleeds for Natasha! I think you are right. If she had medical treatment maybe her life could have been prolonged. The hard part is that we can't "will" our friends to do anything. They have to want to seek help for themselves.
I have a friend who is "morbidly obese" and I do not use that term loosely. She had not seen a doctor for four years until recently. She knew they would tell her to lose weight and she didn't want to hear it. We have all tried to encourage her to get healthy, but someone has to want that kind of help.
This article was well thought out and it touched me! Have a wonderful Sunday Svetlania! I look forward to MANY more Svet Sundays! Take cre my friend.
Hi Barrett!
Thank you very much for your comment!
I was so upset about Natasha's death... And I thought and thought and thought. Finally, I decided to write this article for Sunday because Kyle already told that my best friend Natasha died. So I could tell the story what I thought could help at least someone.
When I worked on this article I've seen a lot of sites of this "School of Causality" and it branches, sites what sells books of Goch, forums where people discussed if it's fear to go to listen to the School... and some posts where people tell about victims of the School. I can not approve but they defiantly use hypnosis and who knows maybe even drugs (I've read and such opinion).
I can not do too much but now if someone ask Google about Goch and Russia this article will be on the first page. So it might really help someone!
Best wishes and regards from Kyle.
Svetlana
PS The truth is that there is a lot of such stories in Russia. I even remember my Mom told me a lot of time ago about some of her colleagues who died when tried to heal themselves by hunger or yoga and not going to regular doctors.
Svetlania- Things are finally returning to normal! Late last night I posted a trackback to this article in my Editorial Sundays section. I too hope that we can reach as many people as possible and try and warn them about this dangerous group. I hope you and Kyle had a great weekend! Give Kyle my best!
P.S.-I also mentioned your new blog Primarily in the post! I will also add it to my blogroll! Sorry it has taken me so long!
P.P.S.-Thanks for the translation button! We have it proudly displayed on our page now! I just can't thank you enough it looks SO much better!
Hi Barrett!
Thank you very much for your article about our Svet Sundays :))). It's a great pleasure for me!
I glad you like the translation buttons :).
Best wishes and take care!
Svetlana
Great post Svetlania and Kyle, it's frightening that there are people and cults like this out there. I work in the health food industry and am interested in complementary therapies but the idea is that they should be used alongside traditional Western medicine and not instead of it. Poor Natasha, this is very sad. She was obviously taken in by this so-called healer. People like this are despicable, they make money out of other people's suffering and take advantage of those who are terminally ill, offering them false hope.
Hi, Naomi!
Thank you very much for your comment, I absolutely agree with you!
Svetlana
You have an interestin blog, I have read about it here: http://lj.rossia.org/users/lawal/156970.html (some retelling of this post of yours in russian).
I'd blame crushed communist believes etc for instances of deep trust to witch-doctors, but it was common in USSR too (while government restricted them vigourosly both explicitly and implicitly, but without full success). I don't think that the problem is really solvable, I think of it like of eternal struggle.
Do you translate your blog to other networks (not "blogger", not "kylekeeton")? Do you speak (write) russian?
Hi, Peter(Пётр)!
Thank you for stopping by and for your comment!
You are right, we had a lot of people who would go rather to witch-doctors rather to have medical help. (What it is? Russian mentality or something else?) Yes, I was going to tell in the article about my mom's colleague who died from breast's cancer 20-30 years ago, because she was going from one witch-doctor to another not willing medicine helps her (in such not very difficult case), I wanted to tell about another colleague of my mom who starved herself to death (she could not started to eat again after 40days without food) and etc...
As for me, yes I speak and write Russian fluently ;), as for my husband Kyle he speaks and writes Russian not too much...
We have RSS and Alexey (lawal.livejournal.com) was going to help us to have translation to livejournal.com
By the way if you want you can comment in Russian we'll answer in Russian also.
Best wishes!
Svetlana and Kyle
I have subscribed to the blog RSS feed.
Thank you, Пётр!
Hope you will enjoy it! :)))
Svetlana and Kyle
Dear author,
you write here
"...When I worked on this article I found these links:...
... They obviously do not want English reading people to see it..."
did you ever contact "them" to confirm this information?
Dear Anonymous,
Thank you for stopping by and checking my article!
No, I did not contact to the authors of this site, I don't think that is a necessary. I am just telling facts first they had an English page what link I have, now they redirect this site to another one what does not have English page.
Please, don't worry: I watch my article and if the site have English page I will be glad to put a link to this page in my article, to let English-speaking people to see what beautiful words can mask a crime.
Please, come again.
Svetlana
Здравствуйте, Светлана.
Меня зовут Ян. То о чем Вы рассказали это, несомненно, трагедия. Трагедия души человеческой и человеческой судьбы.
Меня заинтересовал Ваш рассказ не только потому, что он интересен и актуален, еще потому, что мне приходилось столкнуться с подобной ситуацией, косвенно. Она тоже закончилась трагически и я пережил нечто подобное.
Есть ли у Вас какие-либо факты помимо описанных и как с Вами можно связаться вне этого блога? Это будет полезно.
Спасибо.
Здравствуйте, Ян.
В этой статье я коротко изложила некоторые факты. Конечно, их больше и кроме меня есть другие Наташины друзья, которым история была известна под немного другим углом.
Вот так мы и собираемся иногда, вспоминаем Наташу и пытаемся из кусочков кому чего она рассказывала как из пазла получить целую картину. Жива Наташина мама и даже бабушка еще жива. У Наташиной мамы хранится записная книжка, оставшаяся после Наташи.
Связаться со мной вне блога можно, просто напишите на email, который указан у нас в Blogger Profile.
Всего Вам хорошего,
пишите.
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Это Ян, здравствуйте. Посмотрите по данной теме, что относится к Гочу, Вам будет интересно:
http://161.ru/newsline/209413.html
Спасибо, что не забываете, Ян!
И спасибо большое за линк...
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