
Hello,I was drinking my morning cup of coffee & studying an article about the visa issues in Russia!
I understand what is going on with the rules. I understand the political motivation behind the rules. I understand the conception of the rules.
What I do not understand is the desire of a country such as Russia to push away "freelancers, entrepreneurs and people who work at smaller companies." Russia has also devastated one of its greatest resources,"English teachers, who often meet their students through agencies that never previously bothered to get them work visas." This encompasses a lot of people.
What I see happening is that Russia wants only foreigners from Big Business, companies that can deal with the added overhead of the extra visa expense & time.
As my Wife said: "By this action, Russia has succeeded in only pushing out the intelligent foreigners. The ones who follow the rules, help the country and bring prosperity to Russia!"
My wife is very correct!
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New Visa Rules a Big Headache For Expats
By Alexander Osipovich
Staff Writer
These should be happy times for Alessandro Balgera. After all, the 50-year-old Italian is getting married Wednesday.
But Balgera can only spend three weeks with his new Russian wife before he has to leave the country for 90 days, thanks to new visa rules that took effect in October.
"It's really sad. Extremely sad," said Balgera, a former hotel restaurant manager.
Balgera is one of many foreigners scrambling to deal with the new, tougher rules on multiple-entry business visas that were introduced in a decree signed by Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov on Oct. 4.
Under the new rules, such visas permit stays of no more than 180 days out of one year and for no longer than 90 days at a time. Previously, many expats used multiple-entry business visas to live in Russia year-round, making an annual visa run outside the country whenever their old one expired.
For them, 2008 promises to be a year of paperwork hassles as they try to obtain work visas or residency -- the two main ways they can legally remain in Russia year-round after their old visas expire.
The changes may go unnoticed by employees at big companies, which are usually well equipped to deal with the bureaucratic burdens of hiring foreigners. Many such companies got work visas for their employees even before the Zubkov decree.
But the new rules are proving to be a colossal headache for freelancers, entrepreneurs and people who work at smaller companies. Among the hardest-hit individuals are English teachers, who often meet their students through agencies that never previously bothered to get them work visas.
Anya Soroka, a Canadian citizen, does not know whether she will stay in Russia after March. It depends on whether her English-teaching agency will come through with a work visa.
"I'm not going to be devastated if I can't come back to Russia," said Soroka, an actress who supplements her income by teaching English lessons. "Obviously, I'd rather have a choice."
Most of the English teachers interviewed for this report said they expected to stay in Russia in 2008 because their schools were promising to sponsor work visas for them. But the process is fraught with uncertainty, said Kira Hagen, an American who has taught English and worked as a nanny for well-off Russian families. Hagen said she was hoping to return to Russia as a dependent of her husband, if his company gets him a work visa. If not, they might leave the country.
"We could probably make an emergency move to Poland right now, if we needed to," Hagen mused in her blog. "Or even Korea, if the ticket and housing were paid for."
Legal experts stress that coming to Russia on any document other than a work visa and earning income -- even as an independent contractor -- is illegal.
But that law has never been seriously enforced, and Zubkov's decree was an attempt to close the loophole, said Peter Reinhardt, a partner at Ernst & Young.
"The underlying presumption behind this rule change is that if someone is having to spend more than half their time here, then it can no longer conceivably be a business trip," Reinhardt said.
Government officials say the rule changes were based on the principle of reciprocity. Russians face the same restrictions when traveling to Europe on multiple-entry visas, Alexander Aksyonov, director of the Federal Migration Service's visa and registration department, said last month at an event organized by the American Chamber of Commerce. "If you take a look at the European Union countries, you will see that they have exactly the same system."
Changes were introduced after a Russia-EU agreement to simplify visa procedures went into effect in June. In some respects, the agreement did make things easier, especially for short-term business travelers. For instance, companies that want to bring a foreigner to Russia can now issue their own invitations, whereas before they had to get the invitations through the Federal Migration Service. But some expatriates find it absurd that an agreement intended to simplify visa procedures has actually made their lives more complicated.
The EU "caused more harm than good to European businessmen" with the agreement, Jon Hellevig, a managing partner at the law firm Hellevig, Klein & Usov, said in a news bulletin last month.
The fallout from the agreement might damage the Russian economy by scaring away foreign investors and entrepreneurs, Hellevig said by telephone. "I think perhaps it would be better if Russia did not insist on full reciprocity."
A EU diplomat said the visa agreement only covered short-terms visits and that Russia, not the EU, was responsible for imposing the 90-day limit. "Russia introduced the rule mainly on grounds of its policies toward foreigners living and working in the country," said Taneli Lahti, head of the political section of the EU's delegation to Russia.
Now, the two options that most foreigners have if they want to stay in Russia -- a work visa or residency -- both have their own difficulties.
Experts say it currently takes about three months to get a work visa. Most of that time is taken up by the process of getting a work permit, which a company needs to obtain before its employee can get the visa.
Not surprisingly, Russians applying for work permits in Europe face difficulties too. Unlike Russia, many EU countries require personal interviews at embassies for foreigners seeking work permits, and the rejection rate is higher, Hellevig said. The difference, he said, is navigating the Russian bureaucracy, which makes it more cumbersome to provide all the supporting documents needed for an application.
About 25 separate documents are needed, and "each one may have its own difficulties," Hellevig said. Among those documents are medical certificates proving that the foreigner in question does not have tuberculosis or leprosy.
Those diseases are rare in Europe and North America -- especially among wealthy businessmen -- but that didn't stop the head of the Federal Migration Service from defending the rule Wednesday. "The law sets out a list of diseases that foreigners must prove they do not have," Konstantin Romodanovsky said at a news conference in response to a reporter's question. "Explain to me, please, how can we give one list of required documents to citizens of Tajikistan and a different one to citizens of the EU? Surely, our laws must be objective."
The other legal way to remain in Russia -- obtaining residency -- is a multiyear process that comes with a number of stringent requirements. For instance, after they achieve temporary residency -- an intermediate stage on the road to becoming full-fledged residents -- foreigners cannot leave Russia without first getting an exit visa. Also, foreigners with this status do not automatically get the right to work: They still have to apply for work permits.
Many EU countries offer a more liberal approach. In Britain, for example, foreigners qualify for residency if they have been in the country with work permits or business visas for five years. In Russia, expatriates who have been here for 10 years or more face the same obstacles to residency as anyone else.
Still, residency is the best option for people like Balgera, the Italian getting married to a Russian woman next week.
Balgera sounded frustrated as he described his plans to apply for a series of separate three-month visas until he could get temporary residency and live full-time with his future wife. What was especially galling to him was that he got his multiple-entry business visa on Oct. 19 -- just days after the 90-day rule went into effect. "I had no idea whatsoever," he said. "If I had gone two days earlier, I would have won six months. ... But for one day, I lost everything."
Staff Writer Nikolaus von Twickel contributed to this report.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/12/21/002.html
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I was lucky, When we got my visa we beat the deadline. That will only last a year, then I have to have other plans in motion by that time.
My biggest complaint in all this: If Russia is playing games with the EU, why involve the USA in the new visa rules?
My Wife got a year tourist visa to the USA: Why then does Russia penalize the USA when the American visa rules are much different when traveling to America?
Kyle
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Getting a work visa in the US is a whole 'nother kettle of fish than a tourist. Svet should be able to get one as a spouse, though, that will be permanent.
Xenophobia is rampant and, because of the bizzare rules, illegal immigration is much easier than coming here legally.
My main point that gets me, is that in Russia you can not get a year tourist visa and in the USA you can. Russia keeps playing games with visa to alter like they are being treated. The USA visa and Russian Visa rules do not match. Russia worries about Britain. Britain is far from my worries. I worry about USA and Russia.
The Visa issue is enough to make you grow old and gray haired! (Oops, I already am old and grayed haired)
Kyle
It seems, that my OpenID comments don't reach you. I'm going to ask technical support on the blog site I use (they do work for livejournal.com).
Hi, Peter!
Yes, it's interesting why your OpenId did not work. It seems not all with OpenId works quite right yet.
But the good news is that Google/Blogger put back the possibility to write a comment and leave your Nickname and url of your site. Right now we are checking this possibility. And if this comment is published it works, at least for this moment ;).
Best wishes!
Svet and Kyle
Well, sorry to hear about your situation, but you must stay objective. You do face a REAL big trouble in the USA, if you go and try to gain money with your tourist visa and get catched. And well, most of the problems that people around the world face when they try to move from country to country nowdays are caused by extrem prohibitive migration policies in the West including USA. Russia is much much more liberal in this sense, so I think you should start complaining by your own government first if you really want the problem solved.
Greets.
Hey anonymous,
I worked in corporate management food service for 27 years. The USA was the easiest place that workers from other countries could find work and get work visas. I worked employees from all over the world. One of my largest work forces was Russian immigrants that needed jobs. The next largest was Asian workers. (I am not counting the Mexican workforce that is ever present in the USA)
I followed the rules with the American government and never had but maybe 2 out of every hundred denied work permits.
If you found very good workers it was very simple job to get green cards for them. You must follow the rules!
There are a lot more Russians living in America compared to Americans living in Russia!
There are a lot more Chinese living in America compared to Americans living in China!
America is a hodgepodge of immigrants!
That is what makes the country so interesting!
Many Russians just get a tourist visa to America, then they find a company that will hirer them. That company can easily get a work permit for, said Russian!
So America was very good when trying to get visas and work permits.
Just follow the Rules!
Kyle
Kyle,
Work visa system in US is seriously deficient. Currently there is an annual cap of 65000 visas per year that gets used withing few hours after new year cap opened up. I personally got few offers from Fortune 500 companies and they filed for work permit and they couldn't get it through. It may have been different a decade ago but today US is as restrictive as Russia I might say. Though obviously Russian government inefficiency (I might add corruption) makes it worse.
The easiest work permit system is in Singapore. The most business friendly government in the world.
Hey Cis guy,
Sounds like the systems for visas are getting rough all over the world. It is a shame that The countries can not all get together and have a common set of rules. That would make life easier,
Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate you giving me up to date information on American Visas.
Kyle
I don't know, but it seems that OpenID may not work because of premoderation: when it became OK with the Livejournal, they made not yet moderated comments visible to the comment author.
Well, looking at ROTUS, I think that something is not well in lj.rossia.org.
Hi, Пётр!
Thank you for stopping by! Looks like OpenID works fine. The word "Пётр" is now a link to your site: http://lj.rossia.org/users/ppkk/ and it works very well.
And yes you are right if the moderation turns on the comments are invisible for anybody (even for author of the comment) till they will be approved. But when they are approved they are absolutely OK!
And now I'll tell Google that My name is Svet and my site is "SvetDictionary" on narod.ru. And it will be one more experiment!
Best wishes,
Svet and Kyle
So I am sending this comment... ;).
Here is and interesting question. I was born in Russia and moved to US with my parents when I was 12. I have a green card but not US citizenship (yet). I dont have a Russian passport since I was too young when I left. If I wanted to visit Russia for two weeks what problems might I have? I am 26 now.
To Anonymous:
I believe the best path would be getting a passport first, and afterwards - a tourist visa to go visit Russia for a couple of weeks.
For example my mom also has a greencard and no Russian citizenship, and she goes visits Russia on a tourist visa (however she has a Canadian passport). Also it would be best to ask technical questions as such in the Russian consulate - http://www.ruscon.com/, they might be of more help
Hi, Anonymous!
Yes that's an interesting question.
I am absolutely agree with Blue Crane. Like I understand you can not travel foreign countries (except maybe Canada and Mexico) without passport. So first you need to get one: Russian or American. I even don't know what passport is easier to get (but if you had Russian passport when you were a kid maybe you could just "renew" it?). Blue Crane gave you a good link. Here is one more link http://www.russianembassy.org/ could be useful also.
Good luck, Anonymous!
Your case is really interesting, so keep us informed (if it's ok with you) and we will try to help.
Svet and Kyle
Hi, Blue Crane!
Thank you very much for your quick and wise response! I really believed that you could help, give a good advise in this situation and I was right! :)))
Best wishes for you,
come by here sometimes,
Svet and Kyle
To Anonymous:
You have to go to Russian Consulate and see if you still have Russian citizenship.
The same was with one of my sons. He was born in Bulgaria but had Soviet citizenship. 10 years ago we became BG citizens but I also had Russian passport. I renew my Russian passport in 5 years but my son haven't had Russian passport (just BG). I thought he lost his right to have Russian passport, because we didn't go to the Consulate in time. They give Russian passports to Russian citizens at 14 years of age.
At last, two years ago we went there and asked if he was still Russian citizen or not. They say 'Yes" and gave him Russian passport.
That's why it will be better if you go there and ask the Consulate's employees. They are polite people and and will explain you what to do.
I wish you luck.
Regards,
Ludmila
Hi, Ludmila!
Thank you very much for stopping by and for the great comment! :)))
This comment is very useful and encouraging! Hope our Anonymous get his passport and everything OK.
Best wishes,
Svet and Kyle
Hi and thank you for all your info. One important detail that I forgot to mention was that my parents got their green cards under political asylum, as did I under their application. I talked to the consulate and they said that I need to get a Russian passport. If I do that I might have a problem when the time comes for neutralization interview. I have lived here 14 years now and this is all I am know and this is where live but I still would like to visit my childhood friends back home. Looks like I will just have to wait my 5 years with the green card untill my application goes through for neutralization as I do not want to get thrown into the Russian army or be denied exit from Russia.
Hi, Anonymous!
We are glad you are back and got all our advises! ;)
I really don't know if your Russian passport could be a problem with neutralization interview... But it's better not to take risk.
As for Russian army: yes, you should wait till 27 years old, that is an age when they must not take you in army.
Best wishes and come again :)
Svet and Kyle
Thank you for the wonderful blog and articles. I am an ethnic Russian born and raised in Moscow. I emigrated from the Soviet Union in 1990 and therefore do not qualify for Russian citizenship. Currently I am trying to repatriate back into my country and I have faced a multitude of difficulties.
The first problem is that obtaining a visa is a major hassle, and the second is that employers are reluctant to hire me because i'm a "foreigner". I am extremely frustrated at birth country's cold treatment to its former inhabitants especially if they are trying to come back to Russia with an education and for the purpose to live and establish a family! No wonder the population is shrinking at a rate of 1 million per year! There are idiots in the government and they are slowly killing the country!!! I don't know what to do anymore...
Hey Unboundwill,
I hope that your problems can be overcome. I fight the visa battle all the time and it gets old after awhile. One day I hope to be able to get a residency permit. I hope.
Yes Russia has some growing up to do on some of its past issues. One is as you mentioned you can not come back because you left before a certain time frame.
Thanks for stopping by and we are glad that you like the blog.
Kyle & Svet