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   Russia: The Stock Market is Toast or Better Yet it Went Up in Flames!



Hello,

I have in Russia watched the USA financial system meltdown into a pool of liqidated assets and then in turn watched the Russian financial system go up in flames. I have watched the Aisian market crash but not quite flame out. I have watched the markets all over the world smolder and sink out of sight.

If you are like me and you are having a little trouble understanding what seems to be behind the complete unraveling of the world's financial system: Don't worry you are not alone.

I do not believe in the stock market and now you see why. I believe in precious metals and other very long term stable financial tools. I never get rich but I still have my money!

How did this happen? I think of it as payback. Wall Streeters (All stock markets are wall streets) all over the world, didn't have to worry about regulation, and they didn't worry about risk. They had no fear of repercussions, this lack of fear became a hothouse of greed and ignorance on Wall Streets — and on Main Street as well. When greed exceeds fear, trouble follows.

A very Powerful man, Warren Buffett, probably one of the world's most successful investors, back in 2003 called greed and ignorance, "derivatives" or better yet he said, "weapons of financial mass destruction." But to the greedy rich wall streeters, what did he know? He was a 70-something alarmist fuddy-duddy who had cried wolf for years. No reason to worry about wolves until you hear them howling at your door, right?

The wolf has started howling.....

We started with Bear Stearns months ago, everyone said whew that was close and the worse is over. That was nothing but the tip of the iceberg because we now are going to see how much ice is under the water level on all these defaulting issues. The folly and fiasco of Fannie & Freddie started the avalance

The USA Government stopped Fannie and Freddie from going belly up. Why? Because many if not most of the mortgages and mortgage securities owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were bought by foreign central banks, which wanted to own dollar-based securities that carried slightly higher interest rates than boring old U.S. Treasury securities. A big reason the Fed and Treasury felt compelled to bail out Fannie and Freddie was the fear that if they didn't, foreigners wouldn't continue funding our trade and federal-budget deficits.

Lehman's fall shows the downside of using borrowed money. Even though Lehman has a 158-year-old name, it's actually a 14-year-old company that was spun off by American Express in 1994. AmEx had gobbled it up 10 years earlier, and it wasn't in prime shape when AmEx spat it out. To compensate for its relatively small size and skinny capital base, Lehman took risks that proved too large. To keep profits growing, Lehman borrowed huge sums relative to its size. Its debts were about 35 times its capital, far higher than its peer group's ratio. And it plunged heavily into real estate ventures that cratered.

Then AIG collapsed...

The market lost faith in AIG too, but the government was forced to save it. A major reason is that AIG is one of the creators of the aforementioned credit-default swaps. What are those, you ask? They're pixie-dust securities that supposedly offer insurance against a company defaulting on its obligations. If you buy $10 million of GM bonds, for instance, you might hedge your bet by buying a $10 million CDS from AIG. In return for that premium — which changes day to day — AIG agrees to give you $10 million should GM have an "event of default" on its obligations.

America bailed AIG out. Now we have to remember that Bear Stearns died not long ago and Merrill Lynch bit the dust a few days ago.

Goldman stands, along with Morgan Stanley, as one of the last two giant U.S. investment banks not to collapse (as Lehman and Bear Stearns have) or be sold (à la Merrill Lynch), Goldman too has been pummeled. The firm's quarterly profit plunged over 70%. New York University economics professor Nouriel Roubini says: "They will be gone in a matter of months as well. It's better if Goldman or Morgan Stanley find a buyer, because their business model is fundamentally flawed." (Ouch!)

Now the big three: GM, Ford and Chrysler are knocking on deaths door. They are asking for loans from Uncle Sam to help them out. Then MaWu bank is arranging survival help. The story goes on and on and on and on...

Now in Aisia, Russia, Europe, South America, Austrailia and lets just toss the rest of the world in this pile. The realization that holding American securities was not such a good thing.

So whatever the politicians all over the world do, we as a world society are going to be poorer than we were a month ago. Wall Streets all over the world has lost credibility; everyone will be less likely than before to lend endless amounts of cheap money. America has lost a lot of credibility and that ultimately will lead to higher borrowing costs?

Coping in this new world will require adjustments by millions upon millions of people. We all will have to start living within our means — or preferably below them. If you don't over borrow or overspend, you're far less vulnerable to whatever problems the financial system may have. Companies need to start surviving with in their means!

My Grandma allways said, "If you don't have the money in your pocket, then do not buy it!"

Remember: "greed and ignorance, or better yet, "weapons of financial mass destruction""

Kyle & Svet

comments always welcome.

blackseabrew said...

My father and I have often discussed the unrealistic climb of real estate prices. It didn't matter what direction you turned a decent home cost a small fortune. And to top that many county sized regions implemented minimum square footage building codes for a new house. Those little '1200 square foot' things were unsightly. Only 4000 square foot McMansions were accepted. We both agreed a timebomb was ticking.

Personally I don't think it's gone off yet. Folly in the US mentality won't accept the fact that a house is just a house and that lot it was built on is not worth $150,000. I don't care what school district you are in.

Basically most homes are $50,000 in materials and $50,000 in labor plus another $10,000 for an improved lot. No matter how you look at them. And that is at inflated materials and labor prices supported by the easy Wall Street hysteria.

Who knows how it will fall out. Bottom line is that I have zero money in the stock market. But unfortunately a lot of average joe's were sucked into this mess.

Which shouldn't have happenned if the federal regulators were simply doing their jobs. Another characteristic of the federal government 'Bush Doctrine'.

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Blackseabrew,

I think you are correct, The bomb has not gone off yet!

It is going to get rough when it does. I feel that it will be more of a nuclear size meltdown....

Wait till the credit card default starts..... It will happen. People have to eat and live first...

Kyle

Clark said...

Cheeerful news, Kyle. I just made my annual IRA contribution. I only hope it landed at the bottom of this week's drop.

Time wounds all heels, after all.

stock market tools said...

CNBC and Wall St have led everyone to believe, all year, that it was BUY BUY BUY! I have no sympathy for any of these crooks and I'm glad they didn't get their rate cut.

MattMacL said...

#Clark - as a Brit, I woefully misinterpreted your "IRA contribution" and was filling up with a righteous tirade on funding terrorism etc..... Rather disappointed to find out that IRA is rather more boring than that :-(

#blackseabrew - if that is overpricing real estate US style, you should try buying property in the UK! A "starter home" (aimed at underpriviledged families, newly weds, etc) in the South of UK will cost £150 000 ($250 000) and that is taking into account the fact that house prices have been falling for almost 12 months now! Providing you can stay solvent for the next year, this "credit crunch" is actually very good for the UK economy as it gets rid of the ridiculous bubble and our over reliance on property prices to gauge the health of our economy

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Matt,

I had such a good laugh when I read your comment. IRA did not strike me the way it does you. My wife had the same thinking that you did though. I had to explain what an IRA means to Americans. I know that Clark and Blackseabrew both from America probably know about the IRA on this and that side of the world, but for readers that do not know,

Clark is talking about:

Individual Retirement Account - (IRA) An investing tool used by individuals to earn and earmark funds for retirement savings in the USA.

Matt is talking about:

Irish Republican Army - (IRA) The Official IRA refers to one of the two organizations—the other being the Provisional Irish Republican Army—that emerged from the split in the Irish Republican Army in 1969–70. Both organizations continued to refer to themselves as the Irish Republican Army and rejected the political legitimacy of the other. The Official IRA had an essentially Marxist approach. Initially engaged in military action against the British Army, it declared an end to offensive action in 1972 but since then engaged in feuds with both the Provisional IRA and the Irish National Liberation Army, a radical splinter group formed in 1974. In later years, it was accused of involvement in organized crime, and while it has not carried out any military actions for many years it appears that it remains in existence.

Matt I think that the credit crunch is very good and in the long run will be great. But the credit crunch has to be allowed to continue and not be elevated falsely. If they do not watch it the inevitable crash with be much worse....

Thanks for stopping by.

Kyle & Svet

blackseabrew said...

I couldn't pass up the following quote from a Fox News article talking about the 'comprehensive' bailout proposed today by the US government.

"This staves off Judgment Day," said Anthony Sabino, professor of law and business at St. John's University. "This is a detox for banks, and will help cleanse themselves of the bad mortgage securities, loans and everything else that has hurt them."

So in other words, Mr. Sabino is saying the 'poison' the banks accepted all to readily in the glory days will now be thrust on the US taxpayer-including those of us who were wise enough not to buy property at ridiculous values in the first place. But now have to pay for it anyway.

I just might take the time to enlighten this guy. I wish I was close enough to enlighten him with a bloody nose. As if these banks are sacred institutions upon whose failure will spell the doom of mankind.

Sorry! I get a bit worked up and have to vent a little. Perhaps I require anger management courses.(extreme sarcasm)

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Blackseabrew,

This is good reading:

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/99395/is_the_%27good_life%27_as_america_knows_it_over/

Among the many media spectacles of the moment, the most unnerving is undoubtedly the crisis on Wall Street that has already essentially toppled Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch, and -- probably not last and certainly not least -- the gigantic insurance company AIG, which has just been given $85 billion in taxpayer moneys to liquidate itself. Before we're done, that hoary old oxymoron of the Left, "late capitalism," may gain new life.

Elsewhere on the planet, it turns out, it was more obvious that the U.S. was in crisis. One small sign of the changing state of the globe's "sole superpower" is that, even before banking institutions started to tumble off walls like so many Humpty Dumpties, the International Monetary Fund, that dominatrix of global capital, was planning to pay Washington a working visit. This is the sort of thing you expect, with great trepidation, if you're Haiti, or Pakistan, or Malawi, or Argentina on the brink of financial meltdown -- but the United States? Nonetheless, according to NPR's David Kestenbaum, "The U.S. Treasury says America has now agreed to get a stability assessment from the IMF. The announcement didn't get much attention, but officials at the IMF expect to start examining U.S. finances in the next couple [of] months."

Welcome to the Third World, America. Now, hold your hats while the whirlwind blows and the stock market goes into heart-attack mode. Steve Fraser, an expert on Gilded Ages (and how they end), as well as the author of a superb new book on our financial "masters of the universe" from the eighteenth century to the present, Wall Street: America's Dream Palace, brought up the dreaded "D" word (for depression) this April at TomDispatch when, in the mainstream, pundits were still wondering whether we might possibly, actually, really be edging toward, or near, a recession. He wrote at the time: "The current breakdown of the financial system is portentous. It threatens a general economic implosion more serious than anyone has witnessed for many decades.

Depression, if that is what it turns out to be, together with the agonies of a misbegotten and lost war no one believes in any longer, could undermine whatever is left of the threadbare credibility of our Gilded Age elite." Now he's being quoted on the front page of the New York Times. How times (of every sort) have changed in just the space of a few months... Drawing on his knowledge of the history of Wall Street and Washington, now let him offer you now a little perspective for the months to come. -- Tom Engelhardt

Looks like rough times ahead.

Kyle

Anonymous said...

Kyle & Svet:

FYI, I could not help but notice that Time magazine has an article in its September 29, 2008 issue that appears to have much of your above article verbatim. The Article is entitled "The Price of Greed by Andy Serwer and Allan Sloan.

Thought you might like to know..

MattMacL said...

An interesting point was made by Nick Leeson, who spent 6 years in prison after the collapse of BCCI in the 80's for doing almost the same as the CEO's of Merril Lynch, Lehman Bros, Barclays et al have been doing for years. However in the case of BCCI the directors were prosecuted successfully for fraud, and investors got 0% compensation, share holders lost everything.

In this case directors get bonuses http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7624962.stm, investors get a government guarantee and share holders are bailed out (they might lose a penny or two as shares have gone down, but better than nothing!)

Once again Washington and London rewrite the law books to suit them :-(

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Anonymous,

I noticed the same thing. I was posted at 2:05am on the 18th. Hummmmm! I am also 8 hours ahead of the East coast of America....

Thanks for bringing that up.

Kyle

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Matt,

They have caused a mess in the long run. Short term gain does not counter long term gain.

Seems we have created a new acceptable way to rip off the world with gov. backing....

Thanks for stopping by.

Kyle

blackseabrew said...

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become a legalized version of the first." Thomas Jefferson

I humbly submit that this quote from Thomas Jefferson is most applicable at this moment. But I don't have an answer for a government that completely ignores the very document which was used in its formation.

In professional terms: The US taxpayers are getting screwed.

blackseabrew said...

The American public is $850 billion in debt according to the following link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/09/25/money.pushers/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

This sounds a bit low to me. I haven't done any research but I seem to recall a $4 trillion dollar number being tossed around just prior to the mainstream recognition of problems in the mortgage arena.

Regardless, here comes the personal debt crunch you mentioned earlier.

Kyle and Svet Keeton said...

Hey Blackseabrew,

You got that correct once the credit card debt crashes it will be more like 10 trillion or at that point who could count that high......

Just to count to a trillion would take. (at a second for each number)

1,000,000,000,000 seconds
or
16,666,666,666 minuites
or
277,777,777hours
or
11,574,074 days
or
385,802 months
or
32,150 years
or
3,215 decades
or
about 321 generations
so if u started now you would be done in about the year 34156 AD!

Mind boggling number...

Kyle

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